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EDITORIAL REPLY and COMMENT

For Volume 2 Number 2
Spring  2002

By Don Mallinson, President

On  3-6-03 I got the following e-mail from a former SHO owner about the Nissan Altima review.

Editorial comments interspersed throughout the letter in regular type:

Nissan Altima

Hi Don,

If you don't mind, it would be great if you posted this on your site.

I couldn't believe my eyes when I read your review on the Nissan Altima. My big question is: are you into classics or honestly would prefer the SHO if given either loaded for free?

You bet your bippy I am into classics.  My 1966 Grand Prix is a superb example of a great highway cruiser, I love the 911 in its many versions, and yes, I think the SHO is a classic.  Funny thing is, it is a MODERN classic that is still so good, after almost 15 years (as of this writing) that it is competitive in almost ALL ways with your Altima.  AND with anything else now offered that is even close to the inflation adjusted 20 grand the SHO sold for in 1989.  Given a choice of a brand new SHO or Altima, I think I would still choose the SHO.  I am not totally dumb though, given the choice of a worn out 15 year old SHO or a brand new Altima, for free, I might have to take the Altima, but you would never pry my '89 or '91's keys from my hands... they are still great cars.  Question is, in 15 years, would you take a 15 year old 2003 Altima or a brand new 1989 SHO?  Hmmmmmm. --Ed.

I am a big SHO fan, especially when you couldn't find another car out there with similar aspirations at the time. SHO represented a more sophisticated (as much as Ford could do) performance vehicle type, the sedan, while somewhat simple on the eyes and comforts. Given the era, I would have taken the SHO over any other comparable sedan but these days the Altima rides high above any ford sedan within the price range in all categories. I had to get the Altima.

You are like a lot of magazine writers today.  You give lip service to American cars but still put them down.  "as much as Ford could do." ?  EVERY magazine of the day celebrated the power, luxury, quality and handling of the SHO.  The performance numbers from 1988 hold up very will with the best of today.  How many cars made today will still be competitive in 14+ years?

 I will give you that Ford is blowing it big time with the V8 cam issue now, and they haven't had a decent sedan since they killed the SHO and SVT Contour, but to even hint that the SHO had "simple comforts" is to not pay attention.  Look at your list of "comforts" on your Altima below, and see that with VERY few exceptions the SHO had the same things!  My SHO's are aging well, no rattles, materials are holding up well and those seats are better than anything from Nissan at the moment. --Ed.

Your comparison of the SHO and Altima don't make sense - the SHO was an attempt at being the classy silent performance sedan that Altima is, but it still had the traditional woes of Ford Taurus so why compare engine noise when it is a nuisance? Not to mention the resale worthlesness of any Ford Taurus to the average non-car-junkie sedan buyer in America. The engine was a rock but the package was similar to the mud caked on it. The new Altima subtly boasts a 245 hp 3.5L v6 baby whose potential is quite untapped (see Altima club modifications) and when modified like the SHO, it's a rocket worthy of high ranking in the sports coupe class, but still can out perform the SHO stock! The Altima interior brings back roominess which we lost years ago in cars because of American-style moulding-driven interior cock-pits, but with a subtle sense of class, vs the SHO's cheap average-American-joe's interior.

Wow, don't hold back David!  The SHO IS a classy performance sedan.  Want to talk about silent?  Driving the Altima I could hear every seam and crack in the road vibrate through the entire body of the '03 Altima.  Nothing like that makes it though the suspension on any of my SHO's and the handling is comparable between the two.  Resale value?  HAhahaha.  Don't try to embarrass someone that has enjoyed the low resale value of the SHO from the beginning.  Heck I used to own British Sports cars.  NOTHING you can say will make me blush, but the MGB is still a great car, warts and all.  As for resale value; what could be better than to buy a GREAT car at a bargain basement price.  I doubt the Altima will be a danger to BMW or Acura or even Nissan's own luxury division, Infinity, when it comes to resale down the road, but yes, I would hope it would beat the SHO.  But again, let's wait 10-15 years and see how those Altimas hold up and if they are really worth any more than a similar age SHO today?  Only time will tell.  For now, understand that SHO owners usually CELEBRATE the low value of the car, makes it cheap to buy.

The Taurus body has been proven to be solid, doesn't fall apart with rust if taken care of in a reasonable fashion.  245 HP?  I would hope that from a half liter more motor and over 14 YEARS of technology gain that the Nissan could come up with something to at least equal the SHO.  Glad they were finally able to step up to that very old water mark!  My comment about engine noise has more to do with "quality" than quantity.  The Nissan 3.5 IS quieter than my SHO's motors, but the SHO has a real performance sound.  More like a finely tuned racing motor than a sewing machine.  When going down the road, or tooling around town, the SHO motor is the definition of calm and quiet.  When opened up, it makes delicious noises.  Not so the Nissan 3.5.

As to the interior.  I found the Altima to have a lot of buttons, it was confusing, but I guess I could learn it.  materials?  Still talking mostly plastic and vinyl in both cars and I have never liked Nissan's idea of what an interior should look like.  Seats?  Leather baby, can't get much better than that in the SHO OR the Altima.  One thing I loved about the Altima was the two position height adjustable arm rest.  Maybe I could just order one and bolt it into my SHO, then I would have a perfect car!  

Interior style is personal, like exterior style.  I like the SHO, and it has aged well.  Again, what will you think of your Altima in a dozen years...will there be an active club to celebrate it?  Who knows.  To me the Altima is just one step above the typical stinky (where DO they get those awful smelling plastics? same problem they had in 1978) Japanese interior I always see in the low to mid line cars from Japan, Inc.--Ed.

The comparison is really like comparing Ford's anorexic bear to Nissan's African panther.

I prefer to think of the Lean Mean SHO GUN warrior to the Nissan Panda; cute and cuddly, but not much substance!  .--Ed.

My '03 Altima sports the following:
 
(Editor's note: Daniel lists the options on his Altima, but I will put a ** beside those items that are the same as on my 14 year old 1989 SHO!)
Power roof **
Fuel economy (avg 29 hwy, 24 city) ** (no gain in over 14 years!)
Keyfob remote ** with: 
window control
trunk release **
(on 96-99 SHO)
alarm **
(96-99SHO)
Electronic key **
(on 96-99 SHO)
Arm rests include...
Rear arm rest **
2 arm rest compartments ?
Accessory jack **?
Adjustable height
Steering column... **
Telescopes
(nice feature, wish my SHO had it, but did Nissan have it 14 years ago?)
Tilts ** same as adjustable height
Audio = Bose in-dash 6cd changer (need I say more?) 
(I will say more! Bose is not the same from car to car, the Altima I drove had the Bose and wasn't any better than the JBL in my '96 SHO, a little better than the premium system in my 89.  The Altima Bose wasn't near the system that Bose put in my wife's 2003 Silverado pickup!).
HVAC = automatic temperature & vent weather control **
Auto-On lights **
One-touch driver & passenger power windows 
(one touch on drivers 92 and up SHO)
Heated leather seats 
Heated rear view mirrors **
(96-99 SHO)
Auto-dimming interior rear view mirror
(don't know why Ford won't do this, GM has done it for many years).
Traction control
(my SHO's all have traction control, it is called a trained driver!)  :)
Brakes ** 
(yes even 14 year old SHO's have brakes!)
ABS brakes **
(90 and up)
EBD brakes (electronic brake force distribution)
(nice for drivers that can't control the limit! ) :)
Brake Assist (emergency braking sensors) 
(same as above, real drivers don't need this stuff!) ;)
17 inch rims
(SHO had 16's at a time when 15's were normal, no big deal, bigger rims are not a performance option, purely style, and for the most part, the bigger the rim, after about 16" you lose performance rather than gain...what 17's or 20's?  go buy them)
Speed sensitive steering **
Electronic throttle
(Don't see the advantage here, only time will tell if it lasts longer than a cable that usually lasts 30+ years.)
Automatic 4spd gated shifter with 1,2 and 3rd gear manual (like mercedes & bmw) 
(Ford's automatic is nowhere near world standards, but I prefer the manual tranny in my SHO's to a slush box, no matter how good.  The 5-speed in the Altima I drove was not as precise as the 91 up ROD shifter or even a good cable shifter 89-90 SHO).
Timing chain **
(96-99 SHO has this, but it is no big deal.  The 89-95 SHO V6 has a belt that is quieter, and lasts 100,000+ miles, and if it breaks, which it almost never does, the valves don't hit the pistons... most cars with chain drive are interference motors as we are finding out every day with the V8 SHO as cams fail and fail.)
Did I mention the looks??? 
(Daniel, here you love the Altima, I think the ricer looks will get old real quick. Clear taillights are already old-school.  These cars don't excite me on the road at all and look like every other Nissan product being made, they are taking the corporate look WAY too far.  Will the 03 Altima age as gracefully as the SHO, of any year?  I don't think so, but that is a VERY personal opinion.)

...and I didn't get all the options either...
(yep, the manufacturers, even Ford have come up with new things to add weight and cost to cars in 14 years.  Your point is?)

The truest thing you said was "......this car makes me want to take on a payment book" taken out of context of course, but still the truth about my check book receipts and your shy pen.

(you didn't read that right...What I said was: "I think I could get used to it, but NOTHING about this car makes me want to take on a payment book, (pricing about 30k nicely equipped) and get rid of either my '96 V8 SHO or my '89")  I still feel that way.  No way would I trade any of my SHO's for a Nissan.  The new G-35 ALMOST excites me but it still has the universal Nissan 3.5 motor that is getting old before its time. --Ed.

...fellow SHO fan with reason and no comparative loyalty to an extinct old-glory vehicle,
be well -Daniel

Regards,
Daniel N Bolt
Daniel.Bolt@kp.org
  

 

Daniel, I am glad you wrote, you gave me good reason during the cold snowy March days I am writing this, to reflect on why I love my SHO's so much.  They are aging well compared to the typical car from America, and especially Japan in the late 80's early 90's.  Only the German cars seem to hold up as well, styling-wise.  Gotta Love a BMW with the same power as my SHO's for twice the price new, but they sure do look great and have great resale.  Drove a new 540, and even IT didn't make me want to trade!  Takes a lot to put a grin on my face...it takes a SHO! (or an old Pontiac, or maybe the new GTO?)

Power?  220 hp is exactly what Mazda is touting for their new "6" and although Altima and Maxima have more advertised power, the performance figures are pretty close to what the SHO does bone stock, even with 100,000 miles on many of them.  My SHO's interiors are still ergonomically designed to be easy to use and they hold up pretty well.  The SHO motors (V6 and V8) have a better sound and feel than the Nissan's I tested.  More like a well designed jewel than the rough sounds that come from under the hood of just about anything with the universal 3.5L Nissan motor.  Have you read any of the reviews of these cars now that they are on the road a while?:  All the magazines mention how the motor is a bit rough at the high rpm ranges (a tendency of V6 motors that are a bit too big to be "rev-happy").

The SHO may be out of production, but it is far from extinct.  The SHO had an 11 year run, and despite poor resale value, it enjoys the respect of virtually the entire motoring community to this day.  The mark of a great car is not how much it is worth to a dealer, but how much it is worth to the guy that owns it.  Based on that, I would not put much money into an Altima, but people are "investing" to maintain, improve and play with their SHO's.

If we are all around in 14+ years, let's see how the Altima ages and how many are around versus how many SHO's you see today?  Also let's see today AND in 14 years which car gathers a crowd when you pop the hood.  The SHO motor is a classic that does and WILL draw crowds.

Keep the rubber side down and the dual path intake side up!

Don Mallinson, President
SHO Club

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